Firmware 3.10 -- video problems?

[ppietro]

My PS3 is doing the same thing as described and shown in the thread. My tv is sort of an off-brand cheap tv from Astar. I do 720p through hdmi. I hope this gets resolved from our end and not sony's because we probably won't see a fix till the next firmware update which could be a month or so.

Most likely it's not a YDL issue. I would plan on a Sony fix for this - either a firmware update, or an update to the ps3 framebuffer driver that YDL uses.

The key part is that some folks are reporting issues with PS2 emulation running in native 480p mode.

Normally the PS3 upsamples PS2 games from 480i to 1080p. However - if a PS2 game supports 480p, it will output it directly.

I tried Gran Turismo 4 at 480p and did not see any issues. I will try God Of War later - out of time today.

BTW - you don't mention it, so I'll ask. What model PS3 do you have and what model TV are you using?

Cheers,
Paul

[kzz5]

I have the 40gb SKU and my tv is an Astar MP-27HB

[CronoCloud]

Perfect - thanks for those.

I was going to take pictures, figuring it was an HDMI issue like you said, but the effect on my display is the same as electromancers

One other data point I think we need to collect. My guess is that this may be a PS3-to-TV issue. What model monitor/TV are you using?

It's in my sig, but it's a cheap-ass Element 1920b from Wal-Mart, 1080i/720p 1440x900 native resolution. It'll actually accept 1080p input and scale it down, but I stick with 1080i/720p and VESA 1280x768 over HDMI in Linux.

Hey, just had an idea if it's an HDMI issue, maybe switching to component could prove it. I can test that out by booting Linux in 480i mode (thank goodness I have that set up in yaboot because my default mode is VESA which is only sent over HDMI. (I also have the PS3's multi-out hooked up to component, just in case)

P.S. New Bravia, BTW - yay!!!!

Congrats

Ron Rogers Jr. (CronoCloud)

[CronoCloud]

The key part is that some folks are reporting issues with PS2 emulation running in native 480p mode.

Normally the PS3 upsamples PS2 games from 480i to 1080p. However - if a PS2 game supports 480p, it will output it directly.

I've got 480p PS2 games so since I'm experiencing the issue under Linux, I'll check this out right now. I usually turn off upscaling before I play 480p games because on my system, it still upscales to 480p to 1080i IIRC.

<EDIT> I can confirm I experience the PS2 emulation in native 480p problem, at least over HDMI, let me try component and get back. And no problems with GT4 in 480p over component and no problems with Linux at 720p over component. So it's an HDMI issue.

Ron Rogers Jr. (CronoCloud)

[ppietro]

I can confirm I experience the PS2 emulation in native 480p problem, at least over HDMI, let me try component and get back. And no problems with GT4 in 480p over component and no problems with Linux at 720p over component. So it's an HDMI issue.

Just to be clear - you're seeing the issue with GT4 in 480p over HDMI? I just want to make sure GT4 is showing the effect as well as God Of War.

Cheers,
Paul

[CronoCloud]

Just to be clear - you're seeing the issue with GT4 in 480p over HDMI? I just want to make sure GT4 is showing the effect as well as God Of War.

Cheers,
Paul

Yes, exactly. I can test other 480p games as well, I'll do that now and report back.

<Edit>

Primal and Beyond Good & Evil too. The <PS> button menu is also "messed up" in 480p, the same as everything else is. Also, there's a new thing. I put in a PS2 game I know is 480i with the upscaler off and it output it 480p, with the same effect as the actual 480p games had. It's never done that before, I think. Let me check a PSone game, I KNOW it sends them out 480i if the upscaler is off.

WTF, it output a PSone game in 480p too, but it looks fine and the <PS> menu looks fine. Ahhh, guess what, 480i is no longer an output option for HDMI connections. Some naughty person at SCEfoo has been playing with the HDMI output code. Bad Sony, Bad Bad!

Ron Rogers Jr. (CronoCloud)

[CronoCloud]

I called up SCEA, basically got the run around. They had me to one of those "restore default settings" things and then a "restore default system" things and suggested a full system wipe and restore since they think it might be hardware failure. Not likely. I did tell them that others have reported the same issue but they said they haven't received calls. I told them that since the problem only shows up when:

1. You play a PS2 game that outpus 480p or have the upscaler turned off with any PS2 game

and

2. When you boot into Linux.

That the number of people who do that is small so they wouldn't be receiving many reports though there are more people mentioning the issue online.

I suggested that the firmware team probably didn't test for everything or as thoroughly as they should, how likely are they to test out their new firmware on a CECHE by playing a PS2 480p game or booting into Linux. I suggested they connect me directly to a high level geek with a CECHE right in front of him with a Linux install on it and a few PS2 games because then I could tell him exactly what to do to see it.

I said I'd send pictures and URL's for more info.

I said I figured some guy on their firmware team saw that 480i was supported for HDMI and thought "Hey if you have HDMI, you have an HD set so you don't need 480i", took it out and made a few changes to the HDMI code that messed stuff up on a CECHE

Ron Rogers Jr. (CronoCloud)

[Electromancer808]

Good debugging skills. Looks like I will have to give them a call as well to make sure they hear the complaint from someone else. Seems like we have to wait and see till the next update arrives and go from there.

[trimetric]

Hello all,

I just started with ydl 6.2 on my ps3 a few months back, and really enjoy it's capabilities (especially as compared to ps2 linux). So I am sorry that my first post is to confirm that I am having the same blocky/pixelation problems that other users are reporting with firmware 3.10. I was really worried that I had somehow broken something and would have to re-install!

I also think the problem is HDMI. Luckily, I have a component (which I was using for my ps2), and it seems to be a good workaround for now. Thanks to whomever brought up the hdmi/component issue. YDL is back to its 720p goodness thanks to good old component technology. Hope this gets fixed soon, so I can reconnect my ps2.

Btw i am using a 60g launch Japan console with a 32 inch American Bravia, so I really think its some weird hdmi issue.

Richard

[ppietro]

I have the 40gb SKU and my tv is an Astar MP-27HB

Can you do me a favor and look up your model number? It's on a sticker on the back. I think you have a CECHGxx, CECHHxx, or CECHJxx model. I think it would be useful to track this information.

So far, the table looks like this:

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  Model     Affected?   User
CECHA01     no          ppietro
CECHA01     no          billb
CECHK01     no          billb
CECHE01     yes         cronocloud
CECHK??     yes         dudmuck
CECHK01     yes         electromancer808
CECHH01     yes         kzz5
CECHA00     yes         trimetric
CECHA01     no          NBCraftsman


billb - can you take another look at your cechk01? If you can, try a PS2 game that supports 480p.

Thanks for all your hard work everyone. I think we may be on the cutting edge of this issue.

Cheers,
Paul

[trimetric]

CECHA00 - yes

Should have included that in my other post. I'll check the one ps2 game i have which supports progressive and get back to you on this

[NBCraftsman]

Aloha...

Here is my data.

Yellow Dog Linux: v6.2
Television/Monitor Type: CRT
Manufacturer: Sony
Model #: KV-40XBR800
Video Input(s): HDMI & Component
PlayStation 3 Version: CECHA01 (60GB)
Screen Resolution: 1080i
ps3vram: Enabled
Comment: "No video/text problems with FW v3.10."

peace.

[trimetric]

Tested "Wander and the Colossus" (Shadow of the Colossus) and got the same issue as CronoCloud:

1. You play a PS2 game that outpus 480p or have the upscaler turned off with any PS2 game

HDMI: If the upscaler is on, and I switch to progressive in-game, it pixelates. If the upscaler is off, it pixelates either way.
Component: Works fine.

TV: Sony Bravia KDL-32L4000, used for both component and hdmi tests. Hope i didn't forget anything else

[kzz5]

My model number is CECHH01

[billb]

billb - can you take another look at your chechk01? If you can, try a PS2 game that supports 480p.

The CECHKxx doesn't support PS2 games. I tried God of War (PS2) on my CECHA01 over HDMI, with and without the upscaler enabled, and the game and PS menus appear to be fine at the normal resolution as well as progressive.