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Will YDL support EM64T?

Postby ACEFOMIQUZ » 03 Feb 2010, 14:06

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Re: Will YDL support AMD64?

Postby sdamjad » 22 Feb 2010, 17:41

YDL is open source no $$ for Fixstars. YDEL brings in money for Fixstars. SO as of now i would say YDL will be dead product and YDEL will got into x86-64 to get in money
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Re: Will YDL support AMD64?

Postby ppietro » 22 Feb 2010, 20:40

sdamjad wrote:YDL is open source no $$ for Fixstars.


That's not exactly true, is it? It's my understanding that YDL's source code is open source, but their binaries are for sale. Then, they make binary copies available to the public as a courtesy.

Isn't that the reason for the whole "available to subscribers first, then the public a month later" thing?

See here for further details of what I'm talking about:
http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/ydl/buy.html

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Re: Will YDL support AMD64?

Postby ACEFOMIQUZ » 05 Mar 2010, 08:41

sdamjad wrote:YDL is open source no $$ for Fixstars. YDEL brings in money for Fixstars. SO as of now i would say YDL will be dead product and YDEL will got into x86-64 to get in money

I don't think of that as YDEL 6.2 FOR Power architecture is still going on.
http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/ydel/
http://www.fixstars.com/products/ydel/
Yellow Dog was bone for OpenPower and will be going on for that forever.If not,there will be no difference between Yellow Dog and CentOS(or fedora in history) and no reason for Yellow Dog's exting as CentOS is much more popular than it in IA-32/AMD64 architecture.


To ppietro:So far as I know,the default desktop enviroment of YDEL for CUDA is GNOME. :D

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Re: Will YDL support AMD64?

Postby billb » 05 Mar 2010, 12:24

Interesting article here:

http://www.hpcwire.com/features/Fixstar ... tml?page=1
Which doesn't mean Fixstars is casting its Power and Cell BE software support adrift. According to Stampflee, there is still demand for Cell solutions in Japan and Europe. Even in the US, there are a number of Cell-based HPC deployments that are going to need lifecycle support, including the recent Air Force supercomputer installation using PS3 hardware. "A lot of the GPU demand is for upcoming projects," says Stampflee, "whereas a lot of the Cell demand is for already mature projects."
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Re: Will YDL support AMD64?

Postby ACEFOMIQUZ » 05 Mar 2010, 16:10

billb wrote:Interesting article here:

http://www.hpcwire.com/features/Fixstar ... tml?page=1
Which doesn't mean Fixstars is casting its Power and Cell BE software support adrift. According to Stampflee, there is still demand for Cell solutions in Japan and Europe. Even in the US, there are a number of Cell-based HPC deployments that are going to need lifecycle support, including the recent Air Force supercomputer installation using PS3 hardware. "A lot of the GPU demand is for upcoming projects," says Stampflee, "whereas a lot of the Cell demand is for already mature projects."


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Re: Will YDL support AMD64?

Postby ACEFOMIQUZ » 01 Apr 2010, 15:14

I think the program of Yellow Dog 6.3 will be delete after SCE release PS3 3.21 firmware.
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Re: Will YDL support AMD64?

Postby aguilarojo » 06 Jul 2010, 07:35

ACEFOMIQUZ wrote:I think the program of Yellow Dog 6.3 will be delete after SCE release PS3 3.21 firmware.


You probably already know that Sony shutdown the OtherOS option. You may not have noticed however that Fixstars announced here that YDL 6.2 was the last version of support for PowerPC systems.

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Re: Will YDL support AMD64?

Postby ACEFOMIQUZ » 21 Jul 2010, 11:46

Hey,guys!Fixstars has launched YDL for CUDA 6.2.1(baesd on CentOS 5.5) on EM64T platform which can also be freely download just like CentOS.But only for 64bit version.
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Re: Will YDL support AMD64?

Postby Iguana » 21 Jul 2010, 17:44

Awsome :mrgreen:
I can't wait to get an AMD 64bit laptop with an Nvidea Cuda graphics card in it :P
Hey wait!! Whats an EM64T platform?? :?:
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Re: Will YDL support AMD64?

Postby Iguana » 21 Jul 2010, 18:33

I'd like to note that there aren't many pc's with that combo (AMD CPU and NVidia Cuda GPU) and even if there are combos like that, then the AMD cpu is weak compared to the intel cpu's.. The intel cpu's have the i7 technology now (which is the best) and I don't know much about AMD cpu's.. Can you guys enlighten me on the advantages then an AMD cpu has over an intel cpu?
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Re: Will YDL support AMD64?

Postby ppietro » 21 Jul 2010, 19:46

Iguana wrote:Awsome :mrgreen:
I can't wait to get an AMD 64bit laptop with an Nvidea Cuda graphics card in it :P
Hey wait!! Whats an EM64T platform?? :?:


EM64T is Intel's name for AMD64. It would probably be bad for Intel to label one of their products with an AMD trademark, right? ;)

There's more about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64

AMD later introduced AMD64 as the architecture's marketing name; Intel used the names IA-32e and EM64T before finally settling on the name Intel 64 for their implementation. x86-64 is still used by many in the industry as a vendor-neutral term, as is x64.


Now for your second question:

Iguana wrote:I'd like to note that there aren't many pc's with that combo (AMD CPU and NVidia Cuda GPU) and even if there are combos like that, then the AMD cpu is weak compared to the intel cpu's.. The intel cpu's have the i7 technology now (which is the best) and I don't know much about AMD cpu's.. Can you guys enlighten me on the advantages then an AMD cpu has over an intel cpu?


So - you don't have to get an AMD processor - you just need an x64 compatible processor. The CPUs from Intel will work just fine.

As for which one is better, traditionally AMD had been cheaper than the comparable Intel part, but with slightly less performance. This held true until the leap to 64 bits, when Intel tried to introduce a mostly non-compatible processor called the Itanium - read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium .

Because it was pure 64 bits, the Itanium was a mighty processor, but the first models couldn't run existing x86 code directly - they could only emulate it (slowly). That put it in more of a server market and not for mass consumption. AMD - sensing a window of opportunity - introduced the Athlon 64 line of processors. These were standard x86 processors with 64 bit extensions. In addition, with the Athlon 64, AMD bypassed the infamous "front side bus" by moving the memory decoding logic onto the processor. This was their "HyperTransport" bus. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperTransport )

So - this meant that, for the first time, AMD enjoyed a serious performance advantage over Intel and actually dictated the future of the technology drive to 64 bits.

Intel, stuck with a rapidly dead-ending Pentium 4 architecture and loss of market share with the Itanium, took a little while to recover. Eventually - a mobile division in Israel kind of "saved" Intel with the Core line of processors. These Core processors didn't burn MHz like the NetBurst P4 architecture - instead - they were more efficient per clock cycle. Intel also adopted AMD's 64 bit extensions, and with the Core i series - i.e. the i3, i5, i7 - moved their memory control onto the chip like the HyperTransport bus.

This means that, once again, Intel chips are probably back on top of the performance ratings. However - you do get a lot of performance for your money with AMD.

As to why you don't see laptops with AMD and nVidia, that's because AMD bought ATi. Just before they were purchased, ATi was starting to get into laptop chipsets to go along with their video chips - sort of an "all-in-one" solution. Most folks that use AMD processors for laptops now get the corresponding ATi (AMD) chipset with onboard video.

Since CUDA is proprietary to nVidia, ATi graphics won't support it. Instead, they use a competing version - OpenCL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCL

And of course - things being the way they are, there is a Windows alternative to both of these - DirectCompute. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectCompute )

The advantage to DirectCompute would be that it would run similarly on ATi or nVidia graphics cards. The disadvantage would be that it's not Linux compatible. :(

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P.S. I know a lot about the Athlon 64 & laptop ATi chipsets, because I have one of the first laptops with this combo. It's a Compaq Presario R4000 which uses the Radeon Xpress 200M:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xpress_200 ... press_200M
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Re: Will YDL support AMD64?

Postby aguilarojo » 21 Jul 2010, 23:43

ppietro wrote:
...As for which one is better, traditionally AMD had been cheaper than the comparable Intel part, but with slightly less performance. This held true until the leap to 64 bits, when Intel tried to introduce a mostly non-compatible processor called the Itanium - read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium .

Because it was pure 64 bits, the Itanium was a mighty processor, but the first models couldn't run existing x86 code directly - they could only emulate it (slowly). That put it in more of a server market and not for mass consumption. AMD - sensing a window of opportunity - introduced the Athlon 64 line of processors. These were standard x86 processors with 64 bit extensions. In addition, with the Athlon 64, AMD bypassed the infamous "front side bus" by moving the memory decoding logic onto the processor. This was their "HyperTransport" bus. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperTransport )

So - this meant that, for the first time, AMD enjoyed a serious performance advantage over Intel and actually dictated the future of the technology drive to 64 bits.

...As to why you don't see laptops with AMD and nVidia, that's because AMD bought ATi. Just before they were purchased, ATi was starting to get into laptop chipsets to go along with their video chips - sort of an "all-in-one" solution. Most folks that use AMD processors for laptops now get the corresponding ATi (AMD) chipset with onboard video.

Since CUDA is proprietary to nVidia, ATi graphics won't support it. Instead, they use a competing version - OpenCL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCL

...:(

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Along with the points you raised I found some interesting references which may be useful to those following this thread. This article discusses how AMD and Intel have developed and are introducing into the marketplace their various versions of hexacore CPUs for desktop systems. The next article I thought interesting is AMD's effort to introduce different multiple hexacore chips for mobile devices, including laptops. Here's something that should pop your eyes, :shock: the AMD Llano is a hybridized CPU/GPU out-of-order quad core system. I wouldn't be surprised that something more amazing is in the works but no one's talking. :wink:

Regarding what is going on with YDL with CUDA, there is an interesting statement by Fixstars which I'll quote in part here, "...YDL is not only tested with the standard Linux distribution tests such as LTP, but we also test a wide variety of CUDA and OpenCL enabled software on a variety of different graphics cards...YDL supports using multiple versions of CUDA and OpenCL. An end user can easily use cudatoolkit 3.0, 2.3, and 2.2 on the same machine and easily switch between them using configuration files or environment variables. The link to the full page is here.

For further explanations regarding YDL with CUDA contact Fixstars directly.

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Re: Will YDL support AMD64?

Postby ACEFOMIQUZ » 29 Jul 2010, 05:33

Is there anybody having the Yellow Dog Enhanced Account?
If "yes",have you seen the difference between the two different download links of YDL for CUDA 6.2.1?
The file name in Enhanced Account download link is "20100715",
http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/cuda/iso/ ... 100715.iso
While the file name in YDL.net download link is "20100720"
http://ftp.yellowdoglinux.com/pub/ydl/c ... 100720.iso
I think there must be lots of differences between the two different editions of YDL.
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Re: Will YDL support AMD64?

Postby ppietro » 29 Jul 2010, 09:45

ACEFOMIQUZ wrote:Is there anybody having the Yellow Dog Enhanced Account?
If "yes",have you seen the difference between the two different download links of YDL for CUDA 6.2.1?
The file name in Enhanced Account download link is "20100715",
http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/cuda/iso/ ... 100715.iso
While the file name in YDL.net download link is "20100720"
http://ftp.yellowdoglinux.com/pub/ydl/c ... 100720.iso
I think there must be lots of differences between the two different editions of YDL.


You could see if the SHA1SUM values match. If they match, it's the same ISO with different names. If they don't match, then there may be differences.

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